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[OOC] Relationship Meme
...so like. It's been months since my last relationship meme that I actually, y'know, ended up doing. Which means it's time for a new one. However, I now have six characters, so, uh. Here's how we're gonna do this. I'm stealing Zazzle's idea: tell me which relationships you want me to talk about. :Db It's easier for both of us this way.

And, of course, I play Larxene, Rinali, Hugo, Katou, Guy, and Tir.


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[info]soundslikepi
2007-02-06 05:12 pm UTC (link)
DO MEEE

Um. Luke - Guy, Larxene - Riku, Rinali - Ticky, Guy - Vash? Luke - Tir I think that's the only ones of any note unless Hugo has any real opinion on Luke >D

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-06 05:27 pm UTC (link)
...gawd, you're fast.

Larxene on Riku: (ohohohoho >D) Riku's still an ass. But he's a fun ass. Even more than she loves people spazzing at her, she loves people who bite back. And Riku does that. He's snarky and has very transparent issues and it's great. If worse came to worse, she actually might step in to help him in a really bad situation--but mostly she'd poke fun at him. He's a fun hobby, basically. :Db

Rinali on Ticky: ;afsdklfsdjfa;slkfs Noah who nearly killed Allen :((((. She has a healthy bit of fear of Ticky. Not the same kind as she has around Rhode, which is a sort of freezing up sort of thing, but she knows what he's capable of and that he won't hold back. She does worry about what he's doing in camp and whether or not he'll go after anyone here. So she tries to keep at least moderately informed of his actions. Unlike Rabi and Allen, though, she doesn't do this by going up to him and poking him--she tries to avoid him in general. Basically, she doesn't want to have to fight him because uh that would be bad, but she will if he tries to hurt anyone. >(

Guy on Vash: Guy likes Vash! He thinks he's sort of dumb sometimes, but hey, after living with Luke for years, one's standards of stupidity end up a bit skewed. Vash is nice and seems pretty helpful. So, he'd hang around him, but he's not particularly attached.

Tir on Luke: Tir thinks Luke's a nice, well-meaning kid. Definitely on the naive side, though. He sort of hopes that since Luke's got the impression that he has some sort of weird illness, he'll stop wanting to talk to him--not because he doesn't like Luke, because he does, quite a bit, but uh. Because he likes Luke. So yeah.

Guy on Luke is gonna take a while. |D;;

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[info]soundslikepi
2007-02-06 05:47 pm UTC (link)
I'M SITTING HERE AT WORK DOING MY MEME AND CHECKING MY EMAIL AND CLEARLY NOT WORKING.

after living with Luke for years, one's standards of stupidity end up a bit skewed

Luke says he just accidently lost all your fontech tools again. Oops.

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[info]notforrappig
2007-02-06 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Hor D:

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[info]chibimazoku
2007-03-02 06:45 pm UTC (link)
lol long-awaited essay IT'S SORT OF CRAPPY.

Guy on Luke

Basically, Guy loves Luke. As he said in the Jewel of Gardios sidequest, Luke is someone that he would be happy to pledge his life and service to. He's brave, compassionate, has a great sense of justice, and... is just generally a good person. Luke is the anchoring force in his life, and he'd like it to remain like that. For all the servant thing was originally just a way to infiltrate the Fabre household, Guy has totally internalized it now and that will always affect his mentality around Luke. Luke is someone he takes care of. That's just the way things are.

That's partly Guy still sees Luke as something of a kid, for all he's matured. Luke has this quality of-- innocence is the wrong word, but, um, optimism? maybe?-- around him that Guy never wants to see shattered. And Luke lets others take advantage of him so easily. So part of Guy will pretty much always be Luke's protector. Nothing will ever convince him that Luke doesn't need that. Which isn't to say he doesn't trust Luke. It's just... Luke.

Luke is also his best friend. He knows just about everything there is to know about Guy, now, and he gets away with saying some things to Guy that no one else could. He's just generally nice to spent time with. He's insightful and makes Guy laugh.

Aaaand somewhere along the line, instead of ending up killing Luke, he sort of fell in love with him. At first it was this totally platonic little brother kind of thing because of raising him after the kidnapping. Luke was really sort of the first person to get him to start to open up after he started working at the Fabre manor. Luke needed him, and even more than that, Luke loved him with this unconditional little kid love, and he couldn't be immune to that, no matter how hard he tried. And even as Luke grew up and became sort of a brat, he always meant well, so it was impossible to be angry with him for long. I mean, the entire household loved him.

I'm not sure exactly when that caretaking/friendship sort of love turned into something... else, but it did. Probably only really after Luke started to change after Akzeriuth. Which isn't to say Guy had never had, uh, thoughts of that nature about Luke before that, but he always brushed them off. But it became harder to ignore the depth of his feelings for Luke the more Luke suffered and grew.

At the moment, Guy doesn't really ever think Luke will think of him like that. And he's okay with it. As long as he can stay by Luke's side as a friend (AND AS A SERVANT, STFU), he's happy. Really, as long as Luke's happy, he's happy. :Db

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[info]saladdoze
2007-02-06 05:20 pm UTC (link)
…Whatever you want to talk about ♥ And don't worry about Caesar & Hugo unless you really want to, because I still feel guilty that I got stuck on that for my own meme. |D EVENTUALLY~

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-06 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Hokay let's see.

Rinali on Caesar: Even though they don't see each other as much, Rinali still considers Caesar one of the people at camp she's most comfortable talking with. Especially about more serious, camp-related issues. Which sometimes she doesn't like to talk about with people from her world. So! Still A+++ here.

Hugo on Harold: WHERE DOES SHE KEEP COMING FROM?

Katou on Harold: Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick, she's nuts. But she gives him an excuse to flip out and be crazy and totally not serious, so he actually sort of enjoys their conversations. He is pretty cautious around her, though, because he doesn't want to have someone trying to dissect him again. As useful as the last crazy female scientist he knew ended up being, he associates her with the whole body-and-mind-deteriorating incident and yeah. Doesn't like to think about that. But overall, he thinks she's actually kind of hilarious.

Guy on Harold: Harold is fascinating. She's actually someone he can go on and on about fontech with and it's awesome. He likes talking to her and working with her, even if she's mildly terrifying at times. >D

Tir on Caesar: S-such a Silverberg ahahaha. He's not sure how he feels about Caesar, yet. On the one hand, he's one of the guys who was responsible for Luc's death. On the other hand, he seems reasonable enough, and granted, Luc was being really special. He's interested to talk more to Caesar, definitely.

I'll probably end up doing Hugo on Caesar later. ♥

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[info]itsnotatrap
2007-02-06 05:40 pm UTC (link)
U LUV IT ♥

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-06 05:43 pm UTC (link)
Cockblocked :(

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[info]sothewindblows
2007-02-06 09:33 pm UTC (link)
"LUC WAS BEING REALLY SPECIAL" uh. you're being an ass :( ♥

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[info]traplikerat
2007-02-06 07:21 pm UTC (link)
Rinali & Allen, Axel & Larxene, Katou & Axel?

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-07 10:41 pm UTC (link)
I'll get to Rinali and Allen in a bit. |D

Larxene on Axel: Not much has changed! He's still a bastard, he's still hot, she'd still do him, snarking with him is still great. She totally doesn't get what his deal about "oh noez im liking ppl" is, though.

Katou on Axel: ...they need to talk again. Axel made a pretty damn strong impression on Katou--he's drawn to the smirky dangerous types, and Axel radiates that in spades. Would banter with thinly-veiled threats again, A+++.

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[info]the_ex_flame
2007-02-07 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Katou needs to find out that Axel's crushing on Mika.

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[info]guitar_hiro
2007-02-06 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Katou and Dee, Tir and Hiro? Even though they've only spoken twice. |D

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-07 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Katou on Dee: Katou's not exactly fond of most of the counselors, but Dee's okay in his book. He's easy to laugh at and he seems pretty cool. I mean, he'll do things like strip in front of Benio, so hey. Secretly, Katou likes people who don't let him get away with all his shit. >Db

Tir on Hiro: Tir likes Hiro, in a sort of distant way. He seems like an interesting kind of guy. Not much of an impression, but, uh, Tir tries pretty hard to not learn too much about people, so that's not surprising.

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[info]sothewindblows
2007-02-06 09:35 pm UTC (link)
I want to hear what your suikoden characters think of my suikoden retard, okay? I'm so imaginative. D:

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-08 12:06 am UTC (link)
Okay. Hugo on Luc. This is complicated and something I've been putting off because Hugo hasn't-- okay let me back up a little.

Since the very beginning when Luc came to camp, Hugo has had rules he's set for himself on dealing with Luc. I mean, he's not stupid. He knows that Luc is, at some level, interested in manipulating him. These rules consisted of a lot of little things that he has, uh, completely disregarded by this point, and two big ones. He promised himself that if he ever did both of the big ones, he'd know that things had totally gotten out of control and he needed to back up and possibly let Caesar handle things. The two things that would set off the warning bells are: "I trust him" and "I regret killing him." Especially the latter. Regretting killing Luc would be the final straw, and he realizes this--at that point, things would be totally off the deep end.

...you might have noticed he admitted to trusting Luc recently. He's a little weirded out about this--at the time he first thought about that stuff, it seemed utterly impossible that he would ever trust him. And now he does. It's worth noting, though, that he's not exactly surprised at this. He's always known how Luc's affected him.

Even during the war, see, he felt... I guess the best way to put it is a connection with Luc. They're extremely similar in ways he's still not entirely comfortable with. And that's why (and I'm going by the manga here, because, as I've said before, that's where I draw their relationship from) during the last battle he wanted to talk to him and why he went back for him. Luc is so close to who he could have been if he'd made slightly different decisions. And that scares and fascinates him. Luc has this way of drawing him in, of almost hypnotizing him, and it's terrifying and attractive and intense. It's an attraction that pulls at him, and when added to a certain amount of physical attraction (which is definitely there as well), you get incidents like the mistletoe thing.

Part of it's the Rune. Hugo won't ever be able to fully separate Luc from being associated with the runes in his mind. A lot of the fears he has about interacting with Luc mirror his fears of his own rune. So that's why he's still wary of Luc--he could fall into him the same way he could fall into his rune.

He does see Luc as a person too, though. Someone that has tried so damn hard to help everyone in the best way he could think of and was shot down for it. Luc always seems to be in pain. And maybe it's because he sees himself in Luc, more than he sees a connection between himself and McDohl despite what people say, but he wants to help Luc. To make him stop hurting. And he thinks that maybe he can do that--maybe he's the only one that can, because he understands so well. So he'll keep reaching out to Luc, even though he's afraid. Because he feels that connection and, above all else, he cares.

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[info]tollsforthee
2007-02-09 07:19 pm UTC (link)
WARNING: I have no idea where this is going to go. It's. One of those essays I'm figuring out as I go along SO COHERENCY MIGHT BE NONEXISTENT I'm just sayin'. Also I'm... sort of making up stuff re: Suikoden I and II so if you disagree with any of this just let me know. It's not like it's set in stone or anything.

Tir on Luc

Tir's feelings for Luc are immensely, monstrously complicated. So uh. We're going to start from the beginning. I'm assuming that during the first war, they didn't exactly talk. I mean, Tir was a little busy with the RUNNING AN ARMY and EVERYONE I LOVE IS DYING things, and Luc was a little punk who shunned human company. Sooooo not so much on the interaction front, except for the part where Tir probably tried to talk to everyone at least a bit because he's tenkai like that.

Things changed a little during the Dunan Unification War. Three years had passed, Tir had started his people-avoidance thing, and Luc was one of the people in the castle that he already knew. Sometime in those three years he'd figured out the fact that his rune couldn't affect other bearers of True Runes, so I'd imagine that when he did seek out company, he'd look for them. I don't know how he learned the Luc had True Wind--maybe he'd heard about the incident with Sasarai, as that was recent history when he joined. Maybe Luc slipped up and he saw it. I dunno. But he did find that out, and I bet he confronted Luc about it. So Luc got put on his mental list of Safe People.

And so I imagine he started talking to Luc more, and probably annoying the heck out of him. Because Luc was snarky and therefore fun to tease and banter with. In my Suikoden II games, both Luc and Tir were main party members as well, so there was that forced interaction as well. Somewhere down the line he started to care about Luc quite a bit for several reasons: A) he enjoyed his company, B) Tir's a total bleeding heart even though he pretends he isn't and therefore finds it difficult not to care about people, and C) he could care about him. C is sort of a big deal. Both Tir and Riou became important to Tir partially just because of the novel fact that it was possible for them to be important to him without them dying horrible deaths.

That's not to say that he wouldn't care about Luc if Luc didn't have a rune. But it's the rune that made it possible for Luc to develop into something more than an acquaintance to be avoided. And Tir finds that kind of awesome because, hey, there's someone out there that I like who I don't have to worry about killing and he'll be around as long as I will be. The keeping track of what's going on with the other Runebearers he knows is sort of to reassure himself that he's not alone, which is really easy for him to forget, and he knows this. Luc has always been especially important to him because I imagine he's the first other Runebearer Tir ever got to talk about immortality and the other burdens of bearing a True Rune with. I... sort of imagine he might have come to visit Luc once or twice at Magician's Isle? Yeah.

So, anyway. He lost track of Luc for a few years, but it didn't worry him that much. Then he came to camp and found out that Luc had not only instigated a war in the Grasslands, he was dead. And that really freaked him out. A lot. Because he'd never even considered that Luc would die--Luc was one of the stable things in his life, someone who even if they didn't see each other a lot, would at least always exist. So Tir could find him if he wanted. And obviously that also hit his major trauma button of people he cares about dying horribly. Again, Luc was supposed to be safe from that. But he wasn't. So that shook everything up. And that's sort of why the kiss happened--suddenly it didn't feel like they had all the time in the world to work things out, and he wanted Luc to know that he did care and. Yeah. He's not sure what to do right now, but he doesn't regret that at all.

...hopefully at least some of that made sense.

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[info]sothewindblows
2007-02-09 08:49 pm UTC (link)
No, it made a lot of sense and it was great! I do agree with a looot of what you said, about the past.

Though I do believe (but McDohl probably never would have seen it because Luc is a punk) that Luc came to respect Tir a loooot during the Toran war. He was probably the first person that Luc had seen with a true rune, and I think he was impressed with how Tir handled a lot of it. But I do agree that maybe nothing would've been said about True Wind until they met the second time, maybe because of what Luc did, or maybe Luc even said something. Because he wanted to, for a change.

IN ANY CASE let us retard it up more, you can beat me up again if you want because I think Luc is emoing about McDohl already, woo

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[info]sosdanchou
2007-02-07 12:36 am UTC (link)
Umm . . . I think now it's pretty much just Rinali and Kanda, although if Katou has any thoughts on Himawari, that'd be cool too.

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[info]calicious
2007-02-07 12:45 am UTC (link)
CAL SEZ HI

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[info]mopsnbrooms
2007-02-07 01:20 am UTC (link)
comment ninjaing for great justice~ Katou and Mamori, Hugo and Kairi, Larxene and Kairi.

...I need to play with you more. :'(

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[info]thenotwhitehero
2007-02-07 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I think this one should be obvious. ♥

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[info]askmymom
2007-02-09 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Hugo's feelings on Chris are complicated in that they're... really not complicated at all. Yes, she's an Ironhead. Yes, she killed his best friend. Yes, he would have gladly killed her. Yes, for a good part of the war he couldn't stand to be in the same room as her. But he got over that, and well. Started seeing beyond that. He cares about Chris quite a bit by now. Not only is she a trusted comrade in battle, she's a good friend as well. Despite their differences, he feels like they have a lot in common--the way they became involved in the war, their unexpected inheritance of the runes--and that's what's more important.

He... almost sees Chris as a sister, really. She's beautiful and brave and as good of a warrior as anyone else in his village, so. It's still sort of weird that she's Jimba's daughter--okay, it's really weird--but that's just sort of a minor thing that when he remembers he goes "wtf" a little.

Having Chris in camp is something he's pretty happy about. She's another confirmation of the fact that time doesn't pass normally in camp, which is a relief. It's good to see her, because it's not like he has an excuse to do that often. But at the same time, a lot has happened while he's been at camp and he's a little unsure of how to explain that to her. He was really relieved at her reaction to the Luc thing--that's sort of by far the biggest issue. Because, well. It's Luc. Also the whole "uh Caesar and I are dating" thing is always harder to explain to people from his world, for some reason. B-but Chris seemed to take that pretty well, so that's another thing off the list. Basically, he's just been in camp for almost half a year and suddenly having someone he's so close to from home show up throws him off a bit. But he really is truly happy to have her here. ♥

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[info]thenotwhitehero
2007-02-09 10:02 pm UTC (link)
And Chris is kind of thrilled that Hugo's here, hooray for mutual gladness. ♥

Re: Luc, she meant what she said then, she truly does trust Hugo's judgement very very much. (After all, you can't give yourself and those who trust and follow you to someone you don't believe in) So, whilst she's still pretty wary of Luc, she's not going to try anything unless he does first in which case she will have no qualms about fighting him again.

Re: HugoCaesar, yeah she's still WTFing pretty hard about that. But she figures that in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't affect things too much, so is content to let it lie. I don't think that she would have had much exposure to homosexuality or that Zexen in general would be particularly accepting of it, but it just... really doesn't matter to her. Yes there's the fact that it's Hugo and Caesar, and that accounts for the majority of the weirdness in this situation, but beyond that she really doesn't pay it any mind. But it might be a little awkward if she ever catches them kissing. Obviously this means this should happen at the next available opportunity.

That was probably totally incoherent but ahaha too lazy to read it over. Go go me~

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